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		<title>Our New Old House LIVES!!!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 22:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all, I haven&#8217;t written here in a very long time and I&#8217;m so sorry to have left you hangin&#8217;. We rushed up on a deadline to have the house appraised last month and so we did TONS of work but I haven&#8217;t had time to blog about it until now.  But don&#8217;t worry, I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t written here in a very long time and I&#8217;m so sorry to have left you hangin&#8217;. We rushed up on a deadline to have the house appraised last month and so we did TONS of work but I haven&#8217;t had time to blog about it until now.  But don&#8217;t worry, I took pictures!  I have no idea what order anything happened in now, so I&#8217;ll just go room by room and get you up to speed.  Let&#8217;s start with the bathroom today.</p>
<p>When last I blogged, the bathroom looked like&#8230;  this!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2979329552/" title="IMG_5048 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2979329552_c80a0183a3_m.jpg" alt="IMG_5048" width="240" height="180" />   </a><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2561477036/" title="IMG_3549 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/2561477036_d83c48d6a5_m.jpg" alt="IMG_3549" width="240" height="180" />   </a></p>
<p>There was still some wallpaper residue on the walls so Brandon scraped it off.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/3058203372/" title="IMG_5128 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/3058203372_1edc32799d.jpg" alt="IMG_5128" width="375" height="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/3058203880/" title="IMG_5129 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/3058203880_5fb2379b39.jpg" alt="IMG_5129" width="375" height="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/3057371311/" title="IMG_5132 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3287/3057371311_3301191f0f.jpg" alt="IMG_5132" width="375" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>Then he scrubbed the walls to make them ready to prime.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/3057373167/" title="IMG_5133 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/3057373167_03409cc83b.jpg" alt="IMG_5133" width="500" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>With this latest push to get work done on the house, we&#8217;ve had to cut some corners in the short term so we could have it appraised.  We haven&#8217;t abandoned all our long term plans yet, but in the interest of time and sanity, we had to just give many things a quick going over to make it look clean and finished for the bean counters.  Hence, everything got painted white and we had to come up with some quick fixes for some problems with the walls.</p>
<p>For example, in the bathroom we want to put beadboard paneling on the wall below the wood trim that splits the top and the bottom half of the wall.  We didn&#8217;t have time to do that so my friend Tiff (who&#8217;s a GENIUS!) suggested that we put contact paper on the walls as a kind of temporary wallpaper.  So that&#8217;s what we did.</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s time for a before and after look, huh?</p>
<p>Before:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/980051261/" title="IMG_0998 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1023/980051261_787e063c8b.jpg" alt="IMG_0998" width="375" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>&#8230;and AFTER:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2979330476/" title="IMG_5062 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3012/2979330476_77334c3f81.jpg" alt="IMG_5062" width="375" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>Oh, I just noticed that the spot under the sink where the pipes go into the wall looks a lot better now in real life than it did in this picture.  This was before we did a little more work to clean it up.</p>
<p>But anyway, that&#8217;s the bathroom, getting close to being done!</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s a bonus photo of Brandon scraping the hallway wall (coz I don&#8217;t know where else to put it.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2927501642/" title="IMG_5015 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/2927501642_9093865308.jpg" alt="IMG_5015" width="375" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>[tags] bathroom, wallpaper, ceramic tile, paint, paneling, photos, future plans, flooring [/tags]</p>
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		<title>Crusty Old Pain in the Drain</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our new bathroom floor is in!  But before I show you pictures of that, let me tell you about the drain on our clawfoot tub. We suspect the plumbing on it was original.  Whether it was or not, it was old enough to be nothing but a pain in the drain.  First of all, when [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our new bathroom floor is in!  But before I show you pictures of that, let me tell you about the drain on our clawfoot tub.</p>
<p>We suspect the plumbing on it was original.  Whether it was or not, it was old enough to be nothing but a pain in the drain. </p>
<p>First of all, when Brandon went to take the drain apart so he could remove the tub, it came apart in all the wrong places and some of the pipe broke.  He resigned himself to having to replace the whole drain.  Not too big a deal, right?</p>
<p>Everything was peachy except the pieces in the drain hole itself would not come apart.  Brandon spent most of the weekend in this position, trying to get the drain to loosen:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2768139043/" title="IMG_3875 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="500" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3161/2768139043_cb29ec4ac2.jpg" alt="IMG_3875" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what he had to work with:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2768984622/" title="IMG_3877 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="500" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2768984622_2efdb6d83e.jpg" alt="IMG_3877" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>When he tried to use a drain plug wrench, which looked like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2781563406/" title="542001N by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="300" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3275/2781563406_576da644eb.jpg" alt="542001N" height="300" /></a></p>
<p>The pieces inside the drain disintigrated to look like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2768139145/" title="IMG_3876 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="375" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3191/2768139145_2475d087c8.jpg" alt="IMG_3876" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>Having nothing left to hold onto to turn the drain pieces, he resorted to cutting the whole thing off and hoping the threads would come apart in the process:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2780629107/" title="IMG_3880 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="500" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2780629107_f9f727e766.jpg" alt="IMG_3880" height="375" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2780629121/" title="IMG_3881 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="375" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2780629121_54c76c19c6.jpg" alt="IMG_3881" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>With a few taps of a screwdriver&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2781487230/" title="IMG_3883 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="500" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3025/2781487230_50fefd9792.jpg" alt="IMG_3883" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>out it came!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2781487288/" title="IMG_3884 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="500" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/2781487288_27624bb273.jpg" alt="IMG_3884" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>Brandon said all that gross caked on yellow stuff is bits of hundreds of people&#8217;s skin who have bathed in this tub. I said, &#8220;Ew gross!!!&#8221; and told him it was more likely the old rubber seal that had hardened over time. Boys are so gross.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2780629273/" title="IMG_3885 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img width="500" src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2780629273_b3f13eff92.jpg" alt="IMG_3885" height="375" /></a></p>
<p>To see the finished drain he put in, you&#8217;ll have to come back next time because I forgot to take photos of it in time for this blog post.</p>
<p> [tags]clawfoot tub, flooring, photos, bathroom, ceramic tile, plumbing [/tags]</p>
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		<title>Flooring Day Two: Installation</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[ These are pictures from the day I wrote the two &#8220;S.N.A.F.U.&#8221; posts about. Once Brandon got the kinks worked out with the flooring contractor they got to work. (These pictures aren&#8217;t of the same quality as my usual pictures because Brandon took them with his phone&#8217;s camera, but I think it gives the whole thing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> These are pictures from the day I wrote the two &#8220;S.N.A.F.U.&#8221; posts about.  Once Brandon got the kinks worked out with the flooring contractor they got to work.</p>
<p>(These pictures aren&#8217;t of the same quality as my usual pictures because Brandon took them with his phone&#8217;s camera, but I think it gives the whole thing a certain romantic antique look.)</p>
<p>The bathroom, sans toilet and sink pedestal:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2768172755/" title="Photo_081408_001 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3120/2768172755_b5fc202460.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_001" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p>The bathroom, sans bath tub:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2769019012/" title="Photo_081408_002 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2769019012_c86e189508.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_002" height="500" width="375" /></a></p>
<p>The bath tub plumbing:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2769019048/" title="Photo_081408_003 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/2769019048_03d3d99eef.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_003" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p>The toilet base:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2768172883/" title="Photo_081408_004 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2768172883_c36a4bf777.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_004" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p>Installing the subfloor in the kitchen:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2768172921/" title="Photo_081408_005 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/2768172921_f758b6800f.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_005" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2769019184/" title="Photo_081408_006 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3065/2769019184_b94aac94eb.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_006" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2769019250/" title="Photo_081408_007 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/2769019250_b2c5242c08.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_007" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2769019276/" title="Photo_081408_008 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2769019276_e4f7fb7159.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_008" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p>Installing the subfloor in the bathroom:<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/fullmoonwaterlily/2769019318/" title="Photo_081408_009 by fullmoonwaterlily, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/2769019318_de485931d7.jpg" alt="Photo_081408_009" height="375" width="500" /></a></p>
<p>Check back soon for pictures of the finished floors and some adventures with the bath  tub!</p>
<p>[tags]ceramic tile, plumbing, contractors, kitchen, clawfoot tub, bathroom, photos, shower, flooring[/tags]</p>
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		<title>Update on my S.N.A.F.U. morning</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, I&#8217;d like to thank the members of the Des Moines Rehabbers Club who kindly offered me advice this morning.  I sent a rather panicked email to the mailing list this morning and got some really excellent responses.  It helps so much to have someone to turn to in a crisis like this!  The flooring [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I&#8217;d like to thank the members of the <a href="http://renovatedsm.com" title="Des Moines Rehabbers Club">Des Moines Rehabbers Club </a>who kindly offered me advice this morning.  I sent a rather panicked email to the mailing list this morning and got some really excellent responses.  It helps so much to have someone to turn to in a crisis like this! </p>
<p>The flooring company has secured the right color grout, but they didn&#8217;t order enough tile for the bathroom.  They will finish the parts under the tub, toilet, and sink and finish the rest when the tiles are in.  They&#8217;re going to cut the tile to fit around the pipes in the floor, rather than some other way.  I&#8217;m glad of that because it didn&#8217;t seem right to have to cut all the pipes down and redo all that plumbing. </p>
<p>When I talked to Brandon (who&#8217;s at the house today while I&#8217;m at work) he said they&#8217;d laid the subfloor in both the kitchen and the bathroom and were going to get the kitchen done today.  That was earlier this morning, so I hope there&#8217;s been some good progress made.</p>
<p> While the flooring guys were working in the house, Brandon took the ladder out and broke the rotted fascia off the roof and removed as many nails as he could to prepare for new gutters being installed.</p>
<p> Our quote from the gutter company arrived.  It is over $2000, which for a single story, 1000 square foot bungalow seemed ridiculous.  Our neighbor down the street with a similar house had theirs done for $450 or so.  Will keep looking.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re heading out to the Iowa State Fair this afternoon to blow off some steam.  Pictures coming soon of all our adventures!</p>
<p>[tags]gutters, thanks, ceramic tile, bathroom, Des Moines Rehabbers Club, contractors, plumbing, kitchen, flooring[/tags]</p>
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		<title>S.N.A.F.U. and how!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve hired a professional flooring company to install tile in our bathroom.  We worked with them for several weeks, stopped in at the store twice, and had several phone discussions in setting all this up.  He told us we&#8217;d need to have our clawfoot tub disconnected so they could move it out of the room, which [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve hired a professional flooring company to install tile in our bathroom.  We worked with them for several weeks, stopped in at the store twice, and had several phone discussions in setting all this up.  He told us we&#8217;d need to have our clawfoot tub disconnected so they could move it out of the room, which was fine.  The sink is wall mounted, so that&#8217;s not a problem.  They didn&#8217;t say anything about the toilet.</p>
<p> This morning the crew arrived for installation and informed us that not only were we supposed to have the tub disconnected, but that the pipes needed to be cut down below the floor.  Also we&#8217;re supposed to have a plumber to re-set the toilet because they need to remove it. </p>
<p>Was this stuff I was supposed to know already?  And even so, shouldn&#8217;t they have checked to make sure this was done before showing up for the install?</p>
<p> Oh, yeah.  And they showed up on site and asked Brandon, &#8220;What kind of grout did you want for this?  We don&#8217;t have it on the order.&#8221;  DON&#8217;T HAVE IT ON THE ORDER?!  We discussed this in the store!  Pointed to the one we wanted and the guy wrote it down.  So they showed up with the wrong grout and will have to see if they have the color we wanted before going ahead with the job. </p>
<p>As if that wasn&#8217;t enough, the gutter company that was supposed to stop by at 8am to give me an estimate didn&#8217;t come.  I left for work and half an hour after our appointment was supposed to be, the guy called me.  His scheduler (who I confirmed the address with three times, once by my entering it on their website for them) had given him the wrong address, several blocks up the street from my house.  When no one came to the door he spent half an hour working up an estimate on the wrong house before he bothered to call me. </p>
<p>This is going to be one helluva day.</p>
<p>[tags]flooring, ceramic tile, contractors, bathroom, shower[/tags]</p>
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		<title>Six of one, half a dozen of the other?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been thinking about whether to try tackling laying ceramic/porcelain tile in the bathroom myself.  I&#8217;ve never done it before so I&#8217;m taking into consideration the likelihood that I&#8217;d screw something up while trying to save money by doing it myself.  This is one of those things that seems less easy to correct if it&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about whether to try tackling laying ceramic/porcelain tile in the bathroom myself.  I&#8217;ve never done it before so I&#8217;m taking into consideration the likelihood that I&#8217;d screw something up while trying to save money by doing it myself.  This is one of those things that seems less easy to correct if it&#8217;s screwed up the first time.  I will be asking a flooring professional to give me an estimate and recommendations about the process.  Meanwhile, I&#8217;ve been reading up on what I&#8217;ve seen in home improvement shows and watching how-to videos like the ones on RemodelingMySpace.com:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.remodelingmyspace.com/how-to-videos/flooring-videos/how-to-install-or-lay-a-ceramic-tile-floor-video.htm">http://www.remodelingmyspace.com/how-to-videos/flooring-videos/how-to-install-or-lay-a-ceramic-tile-floor-video.htm</a></p>
<p> We have a few more pressing projects to tackle first, but it&#8217;s definitely a nagging question in the back of my mind in the meantime.</p>
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